What do you think about the future of southern cloth tradtional?

Ayita16 · 10-13-2001, 06:52 PM

I am just wandering i am 15 and i danced tradtional,fancy shawl, and jingle. But out of all of them i love tradtional but when i go to powwows i don't find many people in my catergory! I was was wandering do ya'll think about the future of southern cloth and about teens dancing southern cloth. I dance to honor my family and my nation that is all i can say!
~Ayita~ :D

;)

10-14-2001, 02:39 AM

southern cloth is still very popular in SoCal, but i have noticed it has become a generational dance. Very few teens and when women's category comes up, i'm usually one of the youngest out there. I'm 30!

Beth · 10-14-2001, 03:58 PM

Southern Cloth has been around for ages and will probable continue to be around. In the --- years that I have been around there have been changes. Length of the skirts, etc. but it goes on

Okwataga · 10-15-2001, 01:08 PM

Since I started dancing I've usually also been the youngest Womens Cloth like Homa.i'm in my thirties also
But I still see a lot of women dancing. But now I see more go into the Senior women's division which also lets me know I'm getting older too.

As time goes by there will always be someone to dance southern cloth, whether tiny tot to senior's

oOoSouthernStyozoOo · 10-15-2001, 01:22 PM

Well, around here, there aren't that much, my cousin and I, are starting so. traditional. I am 16 & my cousin is 15, even though i practice in my room, and haven't started dancing in the arena, I love it. It so beautiful, it just makes me want to fly. I hope the future of this dance is great, i hope it get's more & more popular.

**MayChe** · 10-17-2001, 11:35 AM

i understand where ur coming from ayita16, down here in florida there are hardly any teen traditional dancers, especially in competition. if there are some, they get moved up to the women's catagory which i think is unfair.

Okwataga · 10-17-2001, 03:52 PM

Sorry but I think if a girl or boy for that matter, feels they are good enough to compete in an adult division let them, It'll keep us Adults on our toes and not relax with knowing who's there to dance and who your competition will be.
I think if a little girl feels and dances like an adult then she should be able to dance with the adults. I'm not sure if it was 4th of july in CHeorkee or mt. juliet, I saw this tiny tot girl in traditional cloth dancing. Her dancing just blew me away!!!! she had more poise, grace and even dance steps that would make some grown women cry. She was that good.
Do not hate the kids that can move up, help the kids that can move up. We are intertribal and we are brothers and sisters, uncles, aunts, nieces, nephews. If you respect the younger generation, they will return that respect, so when you become the elder in your community and go traveling, maybe that respect will preceed you.

**Kiwehnzii** · 10-17-2001, 04:54 PM

Oh No!!!

I hope this doesn't mean that all them young uns in the 18-49 would be able to move up to the golden age!:(

I figured that everyone will get there sooner or later, but I was always taugt to have patience. We'll all reach them older categories someday.

I was in no rush to get to golden age but - dang!!! - it happened.:D

NativeHoney · 10-17-2001, 06:19 PM

Ive been dancing cloth for about 4 1/2 years and I think that it has grown. The more places Ive been the more girls Ive seen dance cloth. But this past year was my first year dancing with the womans cag. I also think that the style has grown too. (More sparkles and rhinestones) Thats cool though!

**MayChe** · 10-17-2001, 08:47 PM

deltadawn, im not upset that kids can move up, im upset that we are forced to move up.

Okwataga · 10-18-2001, 10:06 AM

Dontwanna argue - I can appreciate not going to senior division just yet, still in my thirties, I think I missed the point I was trying to make. I know young girls really don't want to move into golden age(hehehe) at least not yet for me.

TradisjingleFancyShawl - You cannot really be forced to move to a high category even if there are no other dfancers or not enough in that category. If you registered as say: juniors ages 12-16, and you are the only one, yes you pretty much won, but you should still dance, that is what you are there for?, unless the pow wow committee wants to save money and try to make you move up, you really do not have to move up, you are in your category, if that is where you wish to stay. But I do see a lot of juniors or teens move up to see how they compete against an older division.

Beth · 10-18-2001, 03:48 PM

It never hurts to see how you can do in the next class up. We have given several you ladies who are about a year or two
younger than the age for princess sit in to hear what some of the
questions the might be asked of them and to get them informed about what the committee expects of them. Not all committees want the same thing from their princess. Have even let some go out and dance without the judges considering them seriously.
They had a blast doing it. If they decide to go out later, they will have an idea what they are getting into.:p

Ayita16 · 10-18-2001, 04:59 PM

Hey everyone thanks for replying i love all the discussion ithink its going very good. Anyways i am still waiting for my dress one of my close friends is going to make it for me. Anyways i agree i would love to compete against the woman who i have watched since i was a baby dancing and be able to compete against them it would be a honor to do it. Anyways i have been so busy lately let me tell you i hate homework! ITS EVIL!!!!!!!!~ Anyways any of ya'll going to the stone mountain ga powwow nov 1-4?
keep it real
~Ayita~:Angel2

10-13-2001, 06:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ayita16 Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Indian Country Posts: 65	What do you think about the future of southern cloth tradtional? I am just wandering i am 15 and i danced tradtional,fancy shawl, and jingle. But out of all of them i love tradtional but when i go to powwows i don't find many people in my catergory! I was was wandering do ya'll think about the future of southern cloth and about teens dancing southern cloth. I dance to honor my family and my nation that is all i can say! ~Ayita~ :D ;) __________________ ~NATIVE PRIDE~

10-15-2001, 01:08 PM	#4 (permalink)
Okwataga Senior Dancer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: cherokee Posts: 932	Since I started dancing I've usually also been the youngest Womens Cloth like Homa.i'm in my thirties also But I still see a lot of women dancing. But now I see more go into the Senior women's division which also lets me know I'm getting older too. As time goes by there will always be someone to dance southern cloth, whether tiny tot to senior's __________________ In life there are few things that are certain... me being sarcastic is one of them

10-15-2001, 01:22 PM	#5 (permalink)
oOoSouthernStyozoOo =>>:+:<<= Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: -:\|:-NDNLANDZ, USA-:\|:- Posts: 340	Well, around here, there aren't that much, my cousin and I, are starting so. traditional. I am 16 & my cousin is 15, even though i practice in my room, and haven't started dancing in the arena, I love it. It so beautiful, it just makes me want to fly. I hope the future of this dance is great, i hope it get's more & more popular. __________________ ':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-., ~~~~~~~~~~~~=>>+<<=NDNGURL2K3=>>+<<=~~~~~~~~~~~~ ':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-.,_,.-:'``':-., ((0))((LIL MIZZ SWEET THANG))((0))

10-17-2001, 11:35 AM	#6 (permalink)
MayChe Minglin' N Jinglin' Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Flo' Da Posts: 1,095	i understand where ur coming from ayita16, down here in florida there are hardly any teen traditional dancers, especially in competition. if there are some, they get moved up to the women's catagory which i think is unfair. __________________ Check me out on MySpace: www.myspace.com/mayasbored **~If your success is not on your own terms, if it looks good to the world but does not feel good in your heart, it is not success at all. ~**

10-17-2001, 08:47 PM	#10 (permalink)
MayChe Minglin' N Jinglin' Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Flo' Da Posts: 1,095	deltadawn, im not upset that kids can move up, im upset that we are forced to move up. __________________ Check me out on MySpace: www.myspace.com/mayasbored **~If your success is not on your own terms, if it looks good to the world but does not feel good in your heart, it is not success at all. ~**

10-14-2001, 02:39 AM	#2 (permalink)
homalosa Guest Posts: n/a	southern cloth is still very popular in SoCal, but i have noticed it has become a generational dance. Very few teens and when women's category comes up, i'm usually one of the youngest out there. I'm 30!

10-14-2001, 03:58 PM	#3 (permalink)
Beth Beth Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: over the rainbow Posts: 199	Southern Cloth has been around for ages and will probable continue to be around. In the --- years that I have been around there have been changes. Length of the skirts, etc. but it goes on

10-17-2001, 03:52 PM	#7 (permalink)
Okwataga Senior Dancer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: cherokee Posts: 932	Sorry but I think if a girl or boy for that matter, feels they are good enough to compete in an adult division let them, It'll keep us Adults on our toes and not relax with knowing who's there to dance and who your competition will be. I think if a little girl feels and dances like an adult then she should be able to dance with the adults. I'm not sure if it was 4th of july in CHeorkee or mt. juliet, I saw this tiny tot girl in traditional cloth dancing. Her dancing just blew me away!!!! she had more poise, grace and even dance steps that would make some grown women cry. She was that good. Do not hate the kids that can move up, help the kids that can move up. We are intertribal and we are brothers and sisters, uncles, aunts, nieces, nephews. If you respect the younger generation, they will return that respect, so when you become the elder in your community and go traveling, maybe that respect will preceed you.

10-17-2001, 04:54 PM	#8 (permalink)
Kiwehnzii Oldfart Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,854	Oh No!!! I hope this doesn't mean that all them young uns in the 18-49 would be able to move up to the golden age!:( I figured that everyone will get there sooner or later, but I was always taugt to have patience. We'll all reach them older categories someday. I was in no rush to get to golden age but - dang!!! - it happened.:D

10-17-2001, 06:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
NativeHoney Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: BigY Posts: 9	Ive been dancing cloth for about 4 1/2 years and I think that it has grown. The more places Ive been the more girls Ive seen dance cloth. But this past year was my first year dancing with the womans cag. I also think that the style has grown too. (More sparkles and rhinestones) Thats cool though!

10-18-2001, 10:06 AM	#11 (permalink)
Okwataga Senior Dancer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: cherokee Posts: 932	Dontwanna argue - I can appreciate not going to senior division just yet, still in my thirties, I think I missed the point I was trying to make. I know young girls really don't want to move into golden age(hehehe) at least not yet for me. TradisjingleFancyShawl - You cannot really be forced to move to a high category even if there are no other dfancers or not enough in that category. If you registered as say: juniors ages 12-16, and you are the only one, yes you pretty much won, but you should still dance, that is what you are there for?, unless the pow wow committee wants to save money and try to make you move up, you really do not have to move up, you are in your category, if that is where you wish to stay. But I do see a lot of juniors or teens move up to see how they compete against an older division.

10-18-2001, 03:48 PM	#12 (permalink)
Beth Beth Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: over the rainbow Posts: 199	It never hurts to see how you can do in the next class up. We have given several you ladies who are about a year or two younger than the age for princess sit in to hear what some of the questions the might be asked of them and to get them informed about what the committee expects of them. Not all committees want the same thing from their princess. Have even let some go out and dance without the judges considering them seriously. They had a blast doing it. If they decide to go out later, they will have an idea what they are getting into.:p

10-18-2001, 04:59 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ayita16 Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Indian Country Posts: 65	Hey everyone thanks for replying i love all the discussion ithink its going very good. Anyways i am still waiting for my dress one of my close friends is going to make it for me. Anyways i agree i would love to compete against the woman who i have watched since i was a baby dancing and be able to compete against them it would be a honor to do it. Anyways i have been so busy lately let me tell you i hate homework! ITS EVIL!!!!!!!!~ Anyways any of ya'll going to the stone mountain ga powwow nov 1-4? keep it real ~Ayita~:Angel2 __________________ ~NATIVE PRIDE~

10-19-2001, 08:20 AM	#14 (permalink)
Okwataga Senior Dancer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: cherokee Posts: 932