Changes in Southern Cloth - Page 3

Okwataga · 06-27-2004, 08:26 AM

yeah fancystar you do have it tough with me don't you sorry just liekthe more plain and simple to the sparkle and glitz

am trying to work tribal designs into my dresses adn shawls will keep fancystar busy for awhile

the changes in southern cloth has been neat I think to see what others come up with and to make it so beautiful is just awesome

Pathfinder · 02-22-2005, 11:53 AM

I'm a 40-something Southern Cloth Dancer. I think what I call "the evolution of style" is wonderful, as long as it's done respectfully. When I started dancing, Ladies Cloth was very plain looking. Why shouldn't we shine also? I just try to keep it in the right perspective. I'd rather see good quality shiny beadwork than just loud fabrics.

Pathfinder · 02-22-2005, 11:58 AM

Change is good. It keeps us alert. We just need to remember to be respectful of the dance circle.

iolana1 · 02-22-2005, 01:45 PM

Personally I like the new changes. How are we the ones who compete on a regular basis suspost to keep up with others. Sure some outfits are really really good while some are down right tacky. I mean dont get me wrong I do like to dress in traditional regalia but I see now that the judges go for what's new and unique. Like some powwows in the south they go for who's got the newest and best designs. Personally I dont like those types of powwows cause usually they are fixed but what can I do about it? I guess just live with it and try my best. I also give kudos to those who come up with unique ideas. You know who you are. As someone once told me you have to do what you have to do if not get off the dance floor and stay in the sidelines.

JinglinBooty · 02-22-2005, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Yelloweyes

I've seen the changes and the outfits look really great, but I sew the T-dress, it's what I was taught. Right now I am trying to learn to sew a fancy shawl. Everyone makes is sound so easy.

Your basic fancy shawl outfit is easy to sew together....its the designing and appliqueing that is the difficult part!

**chazziff** · 02-25-2005, 02:12 PM

yea i've noticed the change (in all categories) - some people are gettin out of hand with the neon and rhinestones (never understood the need for them on your mocs - they just get dirty/muddy and stop shinin after awhile - waste of money i think). havin to shield your eyes when some dancers go by during the height of the midday sun!!

i myself also prefer the primary colors - they will always look good.

tweety_rez · 02-28-2005, 02:48 PM

I think the change is inevitable, its life. I was sitting at the mall the other day waiting for my kids to get out of the movies, and so I people watched. I was sitting there thinking dang......its all changed from when I was little. Then I saw an old Indian man from my tribe walk by looking lost....he sat down and waited. It made me think...dang, just think how he see all this....I bet it's really really different from when he was a little boy. Change...its inevitable why would it be absent from the pow wow arena???? I guess the only thing I think is weird, is the japanse or chinese prints making it to the t-dresses...holy we are really becoming a multicultural event!!! Anyways, I like change...you can alway count on change.

Pathfinder · 02-28-2005, 03:44 PM

Tweety,

I agree about the inevitability of change. Every day the world starts over. But, I kind of agree about the oriental prints. But, they are really pretty. Not saying I would never wear them, but who knows.

**chazziff** · 02-28-2005, 04:52 PM

yea some of those oriental prints are pretty and i've seen some ladies out this way wearing east indian silks for their day dresses and jingle dresses. very beautiful prints and most are used for saris (not sure the of the spelling but you know those dresses east indian woman wear). my sister went to go price some of that silk out and it was $80 CDN a metre!!

beadmom · 03-22-2005, 03:40 PM

Speaking of neon fabric, my son is wanting neon green for his next grass outfit. I am having lots of trouble finding this color. We have found neon yellow, pink, orange, but the only green has been in bathing suit material! We have found ribbons but not material we can use in applique. Any places in Texas or online that you know about would be helpful.

**Mr Oakley** · 05-16-2005, 01:10 AM

I think people got carried away with the Neon Flourecent colors,

especially in the Southwest. It can look dope sometimes.

Fringesnapper · 05-16-2005, 03:22 PM

Southwestern is right..... it seems like a few from the Southwestern non traditional pow-wow tribes like to create their own dress style and call it Jingle Dress or Straight Dance or Southern Cloth, etc. Take a little from this tribe, take a little from that tribe and call it traditional. Whatever. As long as we real deals continue to validate it, it will continue.BLING BLING.....

quicksilverwade · 05-16-2005, 03:53 PM

Here is a look at the future of those non-traditional neon flash dancers!

Wihey1 · 05-16-2005, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dwnsouthndn

depending on which southern cloth are you talking about? There are some that are more traditional and some that are more comtempary. The traditional ones are less flashy and have more of a theme to the dress. The comtemporary ones are more for a show type of dress(a attention getter, good if you are a contest dancer). I have no problem with the color orange, in fact it is one of my favorite colors. A dress can be real pretty using orange if the right colors are used to accent orange!!! Remember not everyone likes the same thing, that's what makes everyone unique!!

Not trying to sound mean but........maybe they should have southern cloth contests and start a new category for the flashiest and forget about the dancing part. Sorry but I like the traditional look and it looks nicer. Let me tell you.....it's hard to make a "real" traditional dress. It can be expensive cause real ribbon for ribbonwork, broadcloth for skirts and dresses, cutbeads for beadwork, buckskin for dresses and real eagle feathers for fans. In this day and age, it's big lustre cut beads, rhinestones, neon fabrics for ribbonwork and etc. .....Some outfits remind me of the old movie musicals. I don't think there is anyone who will agree with me but that's okay.

quicksilverwade · 05-16-2005, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Wihey1

Not trying to sound mean but........maybe they should have southern cloth contests and start a new category for the flashiest and forget about the dancing part. Sorry but I like the traditional look and it looks nicer. Let me tell you.....it's hard to make a "real" traditional dress. It can be expensive cause real ribbon for ribbonwork, broadclo

View Poll Results: How many of you have noticed a new look in Southern cloth regalia?
I've noticed and think the changes are great.	42	34.71%
I've noticed and don't like the new look.	36	29.75%
I'll be using the new ideas on a future outfit for myself.	11	9.09%
I have no intentions of ever using any of these ideas.	14	11.57%
I haven't noticed any changes yet.	18	14.88%
Voters: 121. You may not vote on this poll

06-27-2004, 08:26 AM	#41 (permalink)
Okwataga Senior Dancer Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: cherokee Posts: 952	yeah fancystar you do have it tough with me don't you sorry just liekthe more plain and simple to the sparkle and glitz am trying to work tribal designs into my dresses adn shawls will keep fancystar busy for awhile the changes in southern cloth has been neat I think to see what others come up with and to make it so beautiful is just awesome __________________ In life there are few things that are certain... me being sarcastic is one of them

02-22-2005, 01:45 PM	#44 (permalink)
iolana1 Olathe-Tehya-Nituna-Ayita Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Some where in this oddest place called Earth Posts: 78	Personally I like the new changes. How are we the ones who compete on a regular basis suspost to keep up with others. Sure some outfits are really really good while some are down right tacky. I mean dont get me wrong I do like to dress in traditional regalia but I see now that the judges go for what's new and unique. Like some powwows in the south they go for who's got the newest and best designs. Personally I dont like those types of powwows cause usually they are fixed but what can I do about it? I guess just live with it and try my best. I also give kudos to those who come up with unique ideas. You know who you are. As someone once told me you have to do what you have to do if not get off the dance floor and stay in the sidelines. __________________ 'A'a i ka hula kahika, waiho ka hilahila i ka hale. "One who wants to dance the ancient dance, must leave their bashfullness at home"

02-25-2005, 02:12 PM	#46 (permalink)
chazziff crossroads? maybe.... Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: can-na-duh Posts: 6,388	yea i've noticed the change (in all categories) - some people are gettin out of hand with the neon and rhinestones (never understood the need for them on your mocs - they just get dirty/muddy and stop shinin after awhile - waste of money i think). havin to shield your eyes when some dancers go by during the height of the midday sun!! i myself also prefer the primary colors - they will always look good. __________________ All you know is when I'm with you I make you free And swim through your veins like a fish in the sea

02-28-2005, 02:48 PM	#47 (permalink)
tweety_rez Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 45	I think the change is inevitable, its life. I was sitting at the mall the other day waiting for my kids to get out of the movies, and so I people watched. I was sitting there thinking dang......its all changed from when I was little. Then I saw an old Indian man from my tribe walk by looking lost....he sat down and waited. It made me think...dang, just think how he see all this....I bet it's really really different from when he was a little boy. Change...its inevitable why would it be absent from the pow wow arena???? I guess the only thing I think is weird, is the japanse or chinese prints making it to the t-dresses...holy we are really becoming a multicultural event!!! Anyways, I like change...you can alway count on change. __________________ undefined[size=3]undefineR Tweety Rez

02-22-2005, 11:53 AM	#42 (permalink)
Pathfinder Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 62	I'm a 40-something Southern Cloth Dancer. I think what I call "the evolution of style" is wonderful, as long as it's done respectfully. When I started dancing, Ladies Cloth was very plain looking. Why shouldn't we shine also? I just try to keep it in the right perspective. I'd rather see good quality shiny beadwork than just loud fabrics.

02-22-2005, 11:58 AM	#43 (permalink)
Pathfinder Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 62	Change is good. It keeps us alert. We just need to remember to be respectful of the dance circle.

02-28-2005, 03:44 PM	#48 (permalink)
Pathfinder Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 62	Soouthern Cloth Changes Tweety, I agree about the inevitability of change. Every day the world starts over. But, I kind of agree about the oriental prints. But, they are really pretty. Not saying I would never wear them, but who knows.

02-28-2005, 04:52 PM	#49 (permalink)
chazziff crossroads? maybe.... Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: can-na-duh Posts: 6,388	yea some of those oriental prints are pretty and i've seen some ladies out this way wearing east indian silks for their day dresses and jingle dresses. very beautiful prints and most are used for saris (not sure the of the spelling but you know those dresses east indian woman wear). my sister went to go price some of that silk out and it was $80 CDN a metre!! __________________ All you know is when I'm with you I make you free And swim through your veins like a fish in the sea

03-22-2005, 03:40 PM	#50 (permalink)
beadmom wshniwuzbdn Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Texas Posts: 24	Neon Fabric Speaking of neon fabric, my son is wanting neon green for his next grass outfit. I am having lots of trouble finding this color. We have found neon yellow, pink, orange, but the only green has been in bathing suit material! We have found ribbons but not material we can use in applique. Any places in Texas or online that you know about would be helpful.

05-16-2005, 01:10 AM	#51 (permalink)
Mr Oakley >>:+:<< + >>:+:<< Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Twin Cities, MN Posts: 1,061	I think people got carried away with the Neon Flourecent colors, especially in the Southwest. It can look dope sometimes. __________________ Mr Oakley was here see my powwow videos here... www.youtube.com/oaklee84

05-16-2005, 03:22 PM	#52 (permalink)
Fringesnapper Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: South Side Posts: 55	Southwestern is right..... it seems like a few from the Southwestern non traditional pow-wow tribes like to create their own dress style and call it Jingle Dress or Straight Dance or Southern Cloth, etc. Take a little from this tribe, take a little from that tribe and call it traditional. Whatever. As long as we real deals continue to validate it, it will continue.BLING BLING.....