Why all the jealousy

baby_doll · 06-17-2004, 01:40 PM

It's not just me, and first maybe I should start by saying that yes I have been jealous of others and for the wrong reasons. It's these times when I like myself least. It's an ugly feeling that twists my guts and burns and wieghs on me. Don't need it.
Having said this...jealousy among Indians has always bothered me. It is that ugly little demon who rears its head in even the kindest of people. And even worst it infests some with such depth that it becomes the navigator for their every move and perception of the world. (come on, you've seen these types, those synonymous for being "hateful")
Anyhooo, one of the great things about this site, powwows.com, is how wonderful the greater majority is about offering positive recognition of others accomplishments and strengths. I'm sure being on the record in cyber realms has little appeal to even the brooding-est of brooders.
But when I look around at all the disfunction in tribal goverments, societies, schools, communities and families, even "witching", so much of it stems from petty jealousy. The burning wieght and twisted guts that lead to Poor Impulse Control and the eventual regretted words or actions of personal discontent.
So to get back to the point...Why? Why all the jealousy? Nature of Nurture? Hmmmm, in the meantime since offering this thread I should also offer some idea (just my own humble of course) better recourse. It's hard to do, but when I think about and realize how jealousy is affecting me. I say a prayer for my unknowing victim. Hopefully someone else will do the same for me and mine.

~Journey~ · 06-17-2004, 02:09 PM

~puts on a fresh pot of coffee~
Tea here also for others!

Gets comfy to read the responces!

Good points made in this post!

Are Jealousy and Pride the same? Or can they stem from each other.. if that makes sense?

**Running River** · 06-17-2004, 02:20 PM

Wado baby doll!!!

Blackbear · 06-17-2004, 08:53 PM

jealousy , stubborness and pride... yes often related LOL

**WocusWoman** · 06-17-2004, 09:08 PM

Good thread, baby_doll.

ajidamoo · 06-17-2004, 09:44 PM

Jealousy-A fear of the unknown. That definition alone helped me to realize some things about myself. I think it makes sense. :Thinking

Taushina · 06-18-2004, 04:47 PM

What a convicting thread! :) I was personally convicted just from reading the title!

I looked the word "jealous" up in the dictionary and the first definition that was offered was this;
Fearful or wary of being supplanted; apprehensive of losing affection or position.

When I was a junior in high school I played fast pitch softball. The summer prior to my junior year I had practiced pitching every single day for a minimum of 8 hours per day and I followed that schedule into my junior year, except the hours decreased. When softball season came around we had try-outs. This freshman girl tried out to be a pitcher. She had only been pitching for two years compared to my 5 years of pitching experience.

She had this natural amazing talent and she beat me out of the position. To her face I was nice to her, but inside I was crying and so incredibly jealous of her. During class I couldn't even concentrate, the only thing I could think about was that girl beating me out of the position I had been praised for, for so long.

Jealously was consuming every aspect of my life. I wasn't able to live a normal life until I humbled myself. I realized the reality of everything that was going on and I accepted it.

To offer a response to the question of why some Indians are jealous of each other, I would say this. It's a heart issue. If we were reminded everyday that we belong to God and that He loves us despite our inadequacies then that would be more than sufficient for contentment. Then out of that knowledge there would be more of an outpouring of humility and love towards other people.

WhoMe · 06-18-2004, 05:12 PM

Money is the root of all evil.

Jealousy is the root of Indian evil.

Every tribe has individuals, families and elected leaders who practice the "lobster effect." (ie. All the lobsters in a boiling pot. One tries to escape and the others pull him back in).

Jealousy is THE reason Indian people will never pull together in a united effort - to better themselves.

Sad, isn't it?

**drinkingfromysaucer2** · 06-18-2004, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhoMe

Money is the root of all evil.

Jealousy is the root of Indian evil.

Every tribe has individuals, families and elected leaders who practice the "lobster effect." (ie. All the lobsters in a boiling pot. One tries to escape and the others pull him back in).

Jealousy is THE reason Indian people will never pull together in a united effort - to better themselves.

Sad, isn't it?

money has roots? (think more the love-of-money grows evil)

So those lobster's were all united - one saw the pot as a wall to climb out and seek the ocean, and the rest saw the pot as a small salt water sanctuary. Maybe they were trying to save that one from perceived danger. Maybe they weren't. But, united they were in the end.

Jealously is stepping on someone's new boots thus scuffing the appearance -j/k

**Furiously-Fancy** · 06-18-2004, 06:54 PM

Juss some wordz that come to mind when I hear the word JEALOUSY: selfish, hate and insecurity.

I think all 3 are more closely related to jealousy than pride.

Juss my humble opinion.

**Kiwehnzii** · 06-18-2004, 09:54 PM

I am so jealous that you started this thread. It has the potential to earn many points that I covet.

**Smeshigaud** · 06-22-2004, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiwehnzii

I am so jealous that you started this thread. It has the potential to earn many points that I covet.

Crazy!

baby_doll · 06-22-2004, 05:36 PM

I'm sure there can be a connection. Not really sure. just something that has always bothered me when it's me or others. But I can see how pride might be a motivator for jealousy. Myself, I think it is the unknown and a lot insecurity.

Sewickly · 06-22-2004, 05:36 PM

Very good thread that you started! Yes, jealousy is a big disease in the Indian Community. It is sad to say, but all races have this problem.

**ojibwaysweetie** · 06-23-2004, 12:48 AM

Jealousy is a natural emotion, I think it is the way in which it is handled is what is important.

What you think?

06-17-2004, 01:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
baby_doll Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: May 2004 Location: DC Baby! Posts: 31	Why all the jealousy It's not just me, and first maybe I should start by saying that yes I have been jealous of others and for the wrong reasons. It's these times when I like myself least. It's an ugly feeling that twists my guts and burns and wieghs on me. Don't need it. Having said this...jealousy among Indians has always bothered me. It is that ugly little demon who rears its head in even the kindest of people. And even worst it infests some with such depth that it becomes the navigator for their every move and perception of the world. (come on, you've seen these types, those synonymous for being "hateful") Anyhooo, one of the great things about this site, powwows.com, is how wonderful the greater majority is about offering positive recognition of others accomplishments and strengths. I'm sure being on the record in cyber realms has little appeal to even the brooding-est of brooders. But when I look around at all the disfunction in tribal goverments, societies, schools, communities and families, even "witching", so much of it stems from petty jealousy. The burning wieght and twisted guts that lead to Poor Impulse Control and the eventual regretted words or actions of personal discontent. So to get back to the point...Why? Why all the jealousy? Nature of Nurture? Hmmmm, in the meantime since offering this thread I should also offer some idea (just my own humble of course) better recourse. It's hard to do, but when I think about and realize how jealousy is affecting me. I say a prayer for my unknowing victim. Hopefully someone else will do the same for me and mine.

06-17-2004, 02:09 PM	#2 (permalink)
~Journey~ Got Ice? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: N. Carolina Posts: 10,823	~puts on a fresh pot of coffee~ Tea here also for others! Gets comfy to read the responces! Good points made in this post! Are Jealousy and Pride the same? Or can they stem from each other.. if that makes sense? Last edited by ~Journey~; 06-17-2004 at 02:43 PM.

06-17-2004, 02:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Running River PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: lost in the ozone Posts: 3,265	Wado baby doll!!! __________________ Everybody Powwow !!!!!

06-17-2004, 08:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Blackbear Space Cowboy Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,618	jealousy , stubborness and pride... yes often related LOL __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song.

06-18-2004, 04:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
Taushina Seeking Him Join Date: May 2004 Location: From Idaho, Living in Arizona Posts: 319	What a convicting thread! :) I was personally convicted just from reading the title! I looked the word "jealous" up in the dictionary and the first definition that was offered was this; Fearful or wary of being supplanted; apprehensive of losing affection or position. When I was a junior in high school I played fast pitch softball. The summer prior to my junior year I had practiced pitching every single day for a minimum of 8 hours per day and I followed that schedule into my junior year, except the hours decreased. When softball season came around we had try-outs. This freshman girl tried out to be a pitcher. She had only been pitching for two years compared to my 5 years of pitching experience. She had this natural amazing talent and she beat me out of the position. To her face I was nice to her, but inside I was crying and so incredibly jealous of her. During class I couldn't even concentrate, the only thing I could think about was that girl beating me out of the position I had been praised for, for so long. Jealously was consuming every aspect of my life. I wasn't able to live a normal life until I humbled myself. I realized the reality of everything that was going on and I accepted it. To offer a response to the question of why some Indians are jealous of each other, I would say this. It's a heart issue. If we were reminded everyday that we belong to God and that He loves us despite our inadequacies then that would be more than sufficient for contentment. Then out of that knowledge there would be more of an outpouring of humility and love towards other people. __________________ People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive. BLAISE PASCAL

06-17-2004, 09:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
WocusWoman N8tiffUmatillaMAMA Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Interior Alaska Posts: 2,727	Good thread, baby_doll.

06-17-2004, 09:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
ajidamoo Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: The South Posts: 48	Jealousy-A fear of the unknown. That definition alone helped me to realize some things about myself. I think it makes sense. :Thinking

06-18-2004, 05:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
WhoMe PauWau Coordinator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Land of 370 Broken Treaties Posts: 5,555	Money is the root of all evil. Jealousy is the root of Indian evil. Every tribe has individuals, families and elected leaders who practice the "lobster effect." (ie. All the lobsters in a boiling pot. One tries to escape and the others pull him back in). Jealousy is THE reason Indian people will never pull together in a united effort - to better themselves. Sad, isn't it? __________________ "Today, recognizing and respecting the origins of powwow aids in our Cultural Survival. If enough people break the rules because they are not satisfied...."We will have no culture." WhoMe

06-18-2004, 06:54 PM	#10 (permalink)
Furiously-Fancy PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fort Washakie,WY Posts: 3,908	Juss some wordz that come to mind when I hear the word JEALOUSY: selfish, hate and insecurity. I think all 3 are more closely related to jealousy than pride. Juss my humble opinion.

06-18-2004, 09:54 PM	#11 (permalink)
Kiwehnzii Oldfart Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 2,868	I am so jealous that you started this thread. It has the potential to earn many points that I covet.

06-22-2004, 05:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
baby_doll Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: May 2004 Location: DC Baby! Posts: 31	I'm sure there can be a connection. Not really sure. just something that has always bothered me when it's me or others. But I can see how pride might be a motivator for jealousy. Myself, I think it is the unknown and a lot insecurity.

06-22-2004, 05:36 PM	#14 (permalink)
Sewickly Teen Dancer Join Date: May 2003 Location: North Carolina Posts: 284	Very good thread that you started! Yes, jealousy is a big disease in the Indian Community. It is sad to say, but all races have this problem. __________________ Just Be Real, and live for who you are!

06-23-2004, 12:48 AM	#15 (permalink)
ojibwaysweetie PowWows.com Addicts Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Heart of the Great Lakes, Ontario Canada Posts: 4,977	Jealousy is a natural emotion, I think it is the way in which it is handled is what is important. What you think? __________________ "Gaa wiin daa-aangoshkigaazo ahaw enaabiyaan gaa-inaabid"