Honoring my families military service

nascarboys3 · 07-03-2008, 12:25 PM

Hello All
I am a buckskin short fringe traditional dancer and I just recently re-did my regalia. As a way of honoring my family members who have served our country, I put symbols of each person on my sleeves. I have my husband's dog tag from boot camp in the Army, my grandfather's dog tag from the Navy (rest in peace papa), and then on my other arm, I have my brother's patch from one of the naval ships he served on and my father's unit patch from the Air Force and my brother-in-laws pin from serving in Iraq. All of these items have been gifted to me by these people. AS you can see I come from a long line of military family as well as myself being born on an Air Force base. The military life means a lot to our family, and I wanted a way to honor all the sacrifices my family has made for our country and I thought this was a special way to do that. However, I have been told that I am disrespecting the elders of the circle by doing this and that women are not suppose to show this type of honor on their regalia. Is this true? Should I leave these items as is or remove them?
Thanks for you wise advice ladies!!!
Ellie

nascarboys3 · 07-13-2008, 12:58 AM

Well by the no-answers to this question but amny readers, I am assuming that this is dis-respectful and I really am not intending to be!!! So I have taken all the emblems off my regalia and have replaced the areas with shells that go along with the rest of my regalia. Would it be ok to put these pieces on my shawl instead? Thanks for any response to this important (to me) question!!!
Ellie

WhoMe · 07-13-2008, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by nascarboys3

Well by the no-answers to this question but amny readers, I am assuming that this is dis-respectful and I really am not intending to be!!! So I have taken all the emblems off my regalia and have replaced the areas with shells that go along with the rest of my regalia. Would it be ok to put these pieces on my shawl instead? Thanks for any response to this important (to me) question!!!
Ellie

nascar,

Each tribe is different. There is no standardization in what is appropriate in making dance regalia. What is perfectly acceptable in one tribe is not allowed in another.

In many plains cultures the wives, sisters and mothers of warriors' wore their trophies earned in battle in victory ceremonies and celebrations. This included warbonnets, scalps, fingers, weapons and eagle feathers.

nascarboys3 · 07-14-2008, 06:24 PM

Thanks for the response WHOME. So how do I not offend other tribes that may be the hosts of a particular powwow that I attend. Is is "safer" to put the items on my shawl?
Thanks
Ellie

WhoMe · 07-15-2008, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by nascarboys3

Thanks for the response WHOME. So how do I not offend other tribes that may be the hosts of a particular powwow that I attend. Is is "safer" to put the items on my shawl?
Thanks
Ellie

Ellie,

Is attaching military articles to your short fringe buckskin or shawl a part of your tribe's culture?

Kaina1128 · 07-15-2008, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by WhoMe

Ellie,

Is attaching military articles to your short fringe buckskin or shawl a part of your tribe's culture?

I wear an AF patch on my belt...but I was in the AF...so I guess that's a little different. I think there is a better way to display the symbols of your family's service than hanging the patches off your sleeves. A special shawl might be good for use around certain holidays. You might want to consider putting the people's names under the tags or patches also, that way people know that they aren't yours.

My future shi ma-in-law got a beaded medallion made that looks like the AF seal, but she had my fiance's name beaded underneath it. She has a shawl like that too I think.

**Wojapi4Me** · 07-15-2008, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by nascarboys3

Thanks for the response WHOME. So how do I not offend other tribes that may be the hosts of a particular powwow that I attend. Is is "safer" to put the items on my shawl?
Thanks
Ellie

If you do things your way and the way that your tribe does things, then don't worry about offending anyone. If they get offended, oh well, they'll get over it.

Personally, I can't imagine anyone getting offended over a person wearing military items in honor of a family member that served. If they do, oh well, they'll get over it.

**Eagle Plumes** · 07-15-2008, 12:37 PM

Few yrs back I saw a Veterns Princess and her dress was awesome she had patches from her family, on her dress. I went and shook her hand and visited with her a bit ,shared with her how proud I was of her , I could see it wasnt just a dress to her and she was able to tell me what patch was what and where they were earned and why. She also had patches representing the differnt branches of service..

Kaina1128 · 07-15-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle Plumes

Few yrs back I saw a Veterns Princess and her dress was awesome she had patches from her family, on her dress. I went and shook her hand and visited with her a bit ,shared with her how proud I was of her , I could see it wasnt just a dress to her and she was able to tell me what patch was what and where they were earned and why. She also had patches representing the differnt branches of service..

POW MIA Dress: Honoring Our Veterans

Like that one? That's cool too. Just make sure that it agrees with your people's traditions of war trophies, etc...

**Eagle Plumes** · 07-15-2008, 10:23 PM

very pretty dress

WhoMe · 07-15-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaina1128

POW MIA Dress: Honoring Our Veterans

Like that one? That's cool too. Just make sure that it agrees with your people's traditions of war trophies, etc...

Kaina,

This is good advice. One of our relatives is a Vietnam Veteran who served as a Airborne Ranger. He is also a member of the Red Feather Society of the Northern Plains. He gifted my niece with a red feather to wear in his honor. He earned this feather in hand-to-hand combat with the enemy and often tells a war story after a feather is retrieved from the dance arena.

To me, this is a war trophy that she was given the right to wear. So far, no one has questioned why she wears this feather, even at all the mega powwows she attends.

nascarboys3 · 07-16-2008, 03:05 PM

I was approached by a child for her grandfather who asked me if I was a veteran myself. I told her no that I wear the items to honor my family members whoa re veterans and nothing else was said. I think I am going to attach the items to my shawl as I did change up some other things on my regalia. Thanks everyone for your advice ont his matter!
Ellie

SamanthaF · 07-28-2008, 02:55 AM

Back in the early 90s, I was asked to dance in honor and memory of a soldier that my step father had served with in Veitnam at a local Memorial Day Powwow. I made an outfit to honor the Pow/MIAs that served with them as well. I was afraid of offending someone, so i went to the military recruiting office and found out info on the ribbon that they would have received and discussed my plans with the gentleman there concerning my outfit ideas. (My shawl utilizes a POW/MIA banner/flag and red/white/blue strips of material on each end. The fringe is made out of ribbons that hang down to represent the ribbon issued to all POW/Mias) I also got permission from the head veteran to dance in the arena in the outfit as well as gifting all the veterans with tobacco. Although I am not a veteran myself, I found that if you are respectful and ask permission to dance the outfit, others are happy to recognize that your intentions to honor their sacrifice is true. Best of luck with your outfit.

07-03-2008, 12:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
nascarboys3 buckskin momma Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 24	Honoring my families military service Hello All I am a buckskin short fringe traditional dancer and I just recently re-did my regalia. As a way of honoring my family members who have served our country, I put symbols of each person on my sleeves. I have my husband's dog tag from boot camp in the Army, my grandfather's dog tag from the Navy (rest in peace papa), and then on my other arm, I have my brother's patch from one of the naval ships he served on and my father's unit patch from the Air Force and my brother-in-laws pin from serving in Iraq. All of these items have been gifted to me by these people. AS you can see I come from a long line of military family as well as myself being born on an Air Force base. The military life means a lot to our family, and I wanted a way to honor all the sacrifices my family has made for our country and I thought this was a special way to do that. However, I have been told that I am disrespecting the elders of the circle by doing this and that women are not suppose to show this type of honor on their regalia. Is this true? Should I leave these items as is or remove them? Thanks for you wise advice ladies!!! Ellie

07-15-2008, 12:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
Eagle Plumes Just Bead it! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MId-West Posts: 11,492	Few yrs back I saw a Veterns Princess and her dress was awesome she had patches from her family, on her dress. I went and shook her hand and visited with her a bit ,shared with her how proud I was of her , I could see it wasnt just a dress to her and she was able to tell me what patch was what and where they were earned and why. She also had patches representing the differnt branches of service.. __________________ I got a fevah! And the only cure is more cowbell!!!

07-15-2008, 10:23 PM	#10 (permalink)
Eagle Plumes Just Bead it! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MId-West Posts: 11,492	very pretty dress __________________ I got a fevah! And the only cure is more cowbell!!!

07-13-2008, 12:58 AM	#2 (permalink)
nascarboys3 buckskin momma Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 24	Well by the no-answers to this question but amny readers, I am assuming that this is dis-respectful and I really am not intending to be!!! So I have taken all the emblems off my regalia and have replaced the areas with shells that go along with the rest of my regalia. Would it be ok to put these pieces on my shawl instead? Thanks for any response to this important (to me) question!!! Ellie

07-14-2008, 06:24 PM	#4 (permalink)
nascarboys3 buckskin momma Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 24	Thanks for the response WHOME. So how do I not offend other tribes that may be the hosts of a particular powwow that I attend. Is is "safer" to put the items on my shawl? Thanks Ellie

07-16-2008, 03:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
nascarboys3 buckskin momma Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 24	I was approached by a child for her grandfather who asked me if I was a veteran myself. I told her no that I wear the items to honor my family members whoa re veterans and nothing else was said. I think I am going to attach the items to my shawl as I did change up some other things on my regalia. Thanks everyone for your advice ont his matter! Ellie

07-28-2008, 02:55 AM	#13 (permalink)
SamanthaF Pow Wow Visitor Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 20	Back in the early 90s, I was asked to dance in honor and memory of a soldier that my step father had served with in Veitnam at a local Memorial Day Powwow. I made an outfit to honor the Pow/MIAs that served with them as well. I was afraid of offending someone, so i went to the military recruiting office and found out info on the ribbon that they would have received and discussed my plans with the gentleman there concerning my outfit ideas. (My shawl utilizes a POW/MIA banner/flag and red/white/blue strips of material on each end. The fringe is made out of ribbons that hang down to represent the ribbon issued to all POW/Mias) I also got permission from the head veteran to dance in the arena in the outfit as well as gifting all the veterans with tobacco. Although I am not a veteran myself, I found that if you are respectful and ask permission to dance the outfit, others are happy to recognize that your intentions to honor their sacrifice is true. Best of luck with your outfit.

07-31-2008, 10:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
handgame_native Junior Dancer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: over the river and through the woods Posts: 100