Rosette Appilque

paintedsun22 · 09-18-2006, 04:31 PM

Do yall have any tips on how to applique beaded rosettes to leather? Mine keep moving around on me.....

Czechy · 09-23-2006, 10:53 AM

Beading rosettes is much easier when you use a fairly stiff base material to sew your beads onto. Some people bead on index card paper. I use a couple layers of stiff interfacing. Once the rosette is done, insert a stiffener if you need more stiffness, add the backing, trim of the excess and then do your edge beading. THEN, sew the finished rosette to your leather. Much easier that way. Plus, you have the option of removing the beadwork and applying it to something else if you ever wanted.

paintedsun22 · 09-23-2006, 01:37 PM

I'm doing the kind that you don't have a background or nuthin, it's jus beads and string. When ya start out with 6 beads. Ya know?

Blackbear · 09-25-2006, 06:04 AM

You talking about flat round peyote? Kinda also known as Mexican lace??

Fat Albert · 09-25-2006, 07:29 AM

I think you may be talking about the beadwork for the rosette? Is the problem getting started? How many needles are you using? I find the 2 needle style the best myself. But if you are talking about beading a rosette without a back/ no leather I have no idea. Good luck!

paintedsun22 · 09-28-2006, 03:59 PM

I don't know what it is called, all I know is that the guy who taught me said they were rosettes.
I start with 6 beads, and the resulting pattern looks like a 6 pointed star. I only use one needle, no backing, and no knots.
I have no trouble making them, but they keep sliding around on the buckskin when I put them on my stuff.

wyo_rose · 09-28-2006, 04:35 PM

I think you need to tack them down around the edges. Just sew through the rosette and the buckskin.

Blackbear · 09-28-2006, 10:07 PM

http://beadwork.about.com/od/peyotes...oundPeyote.htm

Is this it? That's what it sounds like. If so, yeah, you're gonna want to just tack it down in the center and at the points.

wyo_rose · 09-29-2006, 05:19 PM

Hmmm... that's...uh....different. I can see why they slide.

paintedsun22 · 09-29-2006, 06:50 PM

Yeah BB that's it. After it's finished, I been tackin it down on the points on the outside, but it kinda moves on me a little. I was told to pin it first, but I'm afraid I'll run needles into my fingers.

Any better way?

TallmanFL · 10-01-2006, 08:49 AM

I hate to ask this but why not just make a regular round rosette? That would seem more authentic for most regalia I have seen?

Fat Albert · 10-02-2006, 04:24 AM

I see these every once in a while on some Straight dancers. My understanding is that the old ones were made by starting on the outside and working your way in. The ones I have handled don't move and are done just as well as regular rosettes. I think there is a limit on the designs but the effect sure looks sharp.

Blackbear · 10-02-2006, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by paintedsun22

Yeah BB that's it. After it's finished, I been tackin it down on the points on the outside, but it kinda moves on me a little. I was told to pin it first, but I'm afraid I'll run needles into my fingers.

Any better way?

Can't say as I have any better ways... Maybe use thicker thread that fills up the holes better so that it's stiffer. That's about all I can offer. I've never seen these myself used on clothes.. only for things like earrings and starters for beaded easter eggs and such.

powwowbum49 · 10-03-2006, 12:38 AM

PS22

You might try spreading a thin layer of rubber cement over one side of the hide before you place the finished flat gourd rosette on it. Remember to keep the cement back from the edge where you will be sewing cause it could gum up your thread a bit. (if you want the rosette stiffer when you are finished with it you can put the cement on a piece of manilla folder and place the beaded piece on that then the hide behind that) Next tack those corners/points and then I would edge bead the rest of the rosette/medallion being sure to catch the outer most thread of the beadwork with the edge beading thread this will snug down the whole piece all the way around it.

As to doing this rather than typical applique....it is just a matter of a bit different look and what kinda designs can be made with this technique. My son's dragger on his new straight suit has 2 of this kind of medallions on it...damn they are sharp too.

You can also use this type of beading to cover a larger round bead. You just expand until you get to the middle and then contact from there. you end up with a beaded ball and they look HOSS!!!

Hope this helps

paintedsun22 · 10-06-2006, 06:00 PM

Thanks guys. I really like the way they look too.

pb49- Do you know how to do this around something oval or teardrop shaped (like a stone)?

Tallman- I've never been formally taught how to make regular rosettes, just this kind. Other than just lazy stitiching them (which I can't do very well on something round) I don't know how.

09-18-2006, 04:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
paintedsun22 Dancer 4 Life!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: If you find me, keep me here until I get back. Posts: 202	Rosette Appilque Do yall have any tips on how to applique beaded rosettes to leather? Mine keep moving around on me.....

09-25-2006, 06:04 AM	#4 (permalink)
Blackbear Space Cowboy Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,622	You talking about flat round peyote? Kinda also known as Mexican lace?? __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song.

09-28-2006, 10:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
Blackbear Space Cowboy Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,622	http://beadwork.about.com/od/peyotes...oundPeyote.htm Is this it? That's what it sounds like. If so, yeah, you're gonna want to just tack it down in the center and at the points. __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song.

10-01-2006, 08:49 AM	#11 (permalink)
TallmanFL Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Orange Park, Florida Posts: 78	I hate to ask this but why not just make a regular round rosette? That would seem more authentic for most regalia I have seen? __________________ Brian

10-03-2006, 12:38 AM	#14 (permalink)
powwowbum49 Arena Director Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: midwest, USA Posts: 812	PS22 You might try spreading a thin layer of rubber cement over one side of the hide before you place the finished flat gourd rosette on it. Remember to keep the cement back from the edge where you will be sewing cause it could gum up your thread a bit. (if you want the rosette stiffer when you are finished with it you can put the cement on a piece of manilla folder and place the beaded piece on that then the hide behind that) Next tack those corners/points and then I would edge bead the rest of the rosette/medallion being sure to catch the outer most thread of the beadwork with the edge beading thread this will snug down the whole piece all the way around it. As to doing this rather than typical applique....it is just a matter of a bit different look and what kinda designs can be made with this technique. My son's dragger on his new straight suit has 2 of this kind of medallions on it...damn they are sharp too. You can also use this type of beading to cover a larger round bead. You just expand until you get to the middle and then contact from there. you end up with a beaded ball and they look HOSS!!! Hope this helps __________________ PB49 "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up." Pablo Picasso My comments are based on what I have been taught and my experiences over the years I have been around the circle. They should in no way be taken as gospel truths and are merely my opinions or attempts at passing on what I have learned while still learning more.

09-23-2006, 10:53 AM	#2 (permalink)
Czechy wrapped in ribbonwork! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Here....for now Posts: 784	Beading rosettes is much easier when you use a fairly stiff base material to sew your beads onto. Some people bead on index card paper. I use a couple layers of stiff interfacing. Once the rosette is done, insert a stiffener if you need more stiffness, add the backing, trim of the excess and then do your edge beading. THEN, sew the finished rosette to your leather. Much easier that way. Plus, you have the option of removing the beadwork and applying it to something else if you ever wanted.

09-23-2006, 01:37 PM	#3 (permalink)
paintedsun22 Dancer 4 Life!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: If you find me, keep me here until I get back. Posts: 202	I'm doing the kind that you don't have a background or nuthin, it's jus beads and string. When ya start out with 6 beads. Ya know?

09-25-2006, 07:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
Fat Albert Eater of all frybread!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 331	I think you may be talking about the beadwork for the rosette? Is the problem getting started? How many needles are you using? I find the 2 needle style the best myself. But if you are talking about beading a rosette without a back/ no leather I have no idea. Good luck!

09-28-2006, 03:59 PM	#6 (permalink)
paintedsun22 Dancer 4 Life!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: If you find me, keep me here until I get back. Posts: 202	I don't know what it is called, all I know is that the guy who taught me said they were rosettes. I start with 6 beads, and the resulting pattern looks like a 6 pointed star. I only use one needle, no backing, and no knots. I have no trouble making them, but they keep sliding around on the buckskin when I put them on my stuff.

09-28-2006, 04:35 PM	#7 (permalink)
wyo_rose Teenah's Too Cool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Washakie Posts: 8,037 Blog Entries: 2	I think you need to tack them down around the edges. Just sew through the rosette and the buckskin.

09-29-2006, 05:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
wyo_rose Teenah's Too Cool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Washakie Posts: 8,037 Blog Entries: 2	Hmmm... that's...uh....different. I can see why they slide.

09-29-2006, 06:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
paintedsun22 Dancer 4 Life!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: If you find me, keep me here until I get back. Posts: 202	Yeah BB that's it. After it's finished, I been tackin it down on the points on the outside, but it kinda moves on me a little. I was told to pin it first, but I'm afraid I'll run needles into my fingers. Any better way?

10-02-2006, 04:24 AM	#12 (permalink)
Fat Albert Eater of all frybread!! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 331	I see these every once in a while on some Straight dancers. My understanding is that the old ones were made by starting on the outside and working your way in. The ones I have handled don't move and are done just as well as regular rosettes. I think there is a limit on the designs but the effect sure looks sharp.

10-06-2006, 06:00 PM	#15 (permalink)
paintedsun22 Dancer 4 Life!! Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: If you find me, keep me here until I get back. Posts: 202	Thanks guys. I really like the way they look too. pb49- Do you know how to do this around something oval or teardrop shaped (like a stone)? Tallman- I've never been formally taught how to make regular rosettes, just this kind. Other than just lazy stitiching them (which I can't do very well on something round) I don't know how.

10-06-2006, 07:33 PM	#16 (permalink)
wyo_rose Teenah's Too Cool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Washakie Posts: 8,037