Help! how do you make a crown???

**Eagle Plumes** · 05-11-2006, 02:15 PM

I have just been asked to make a crown for a comm and not real sure how to do it, I mean I know how to bead but are there any tips? before I say for sure I will do it? I know they have a name and cymbol that will be on there the thing that has me buggin is how to bring it together in the back? I not a real fan of the ones that are tied in the back so im not really wanting to do that I like the nice neat look in the back, so any help would be awesome!!!! thanks

Chelseyrosebutterfly · 05-12-2006, 03:33 PM

When my mom made my crown she used the place mat. Because it was stiff and it didn't do all floppy on me when I danced. At the back where it close she put tension bandage so it could stretch. And my barret and feather would cover it up.

**chazziff** · 05-12-2006, 07:18 PM

placemats have a tendency to deteriate (sp?) over time - i've seen some from about five/six years ago time has not been good to them ...

i've made a couple of crowns - i have used everything from felt and placemats and canvas. i now use this stiff felt from micheals' hobby shops in the longer length. measure and make the crown that length ... personally i dont like those crowns with the space in the back with elastic or string keeping it together ..

i then use a glue stick to glue the felt to poster board thickness paper (to help the crown keep its shape and to help with warping) i bead the crown and then hand sew the ends of the crown together. after putting some leather on the back of crown to cover the threads. i have beaded the small space left between the ends - just for appearances .. that way you dont have to have a back barrette if you choose not to...

i have some pix of a crown i made for my little girl - i'll post them later

**chazziff** · 05-12-2006, 07:36 PM

found them ... thought i uploaded them already to my 'puter already but guess not .. lol ...

**Eagle Plumes** · 05-13-2006, 07:32 AM

How is the rosette attached? I think I may want to put one on the back of this one thank-you for the photo's. I put heavy plastic canvas in the middle of most of my bead work so thats what ill put in the middle of this, ive had the same bead work going on five yrs and still has the same shape as when I first made it, I like the back of the crown has anice neat look to it.

**Eagle Plumes** · 05-16-2006, 06:07 PM

everyone has been very helpfull but I need a bit more detail on how toget the back to look just rite, chazzif do you have any more tips I can read? and the pictures of the back of the crown is what im wanting the back of this crown to look like.thankyou.

Chelseyrosebutterfly · 05-16-2006, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Eagle Plumes

everyone has been very helpfull but I need a bit more detail on how toget the back to look just rite, chazzif do you have any more tips I can read? and the pictures of the back of the crown is what im wanting the back of this crown to look like.thankyou.

When I put the backing of my crown on I put heat and bond on the material(I use a scarf because it breathable) but anyways I iron it on and cut out the shape of the crown. I leave a little bit of materail around the shape for sewing. When its on I sew on the backing. I use light heat and bond because it not so stiff and hard to sew on.

**chazziff** · 05-16-2006, 07:01 PM

i usually just tack hand sew it through all layers of the bead work ... i havnt had to time to sew it on lately but i gotta get crackin cuz were going to yorkton this weekend .. lol

using a that "stop fray" stuff on the edges (personally never used it) or going old school and ironing a folded edge of the material you are using (if you are using cotton material) then hand sewing it to edge ... might be a better option. that way if you want to change the material after a summer (or whatever) time of use - it'll be easier than using that head and bond stuff (which kinda takes away from the beathability factor and cuz you'll still have to fold over the edge cuz even that heat and bond stuff frays big time if you dont put an edging on it) ...

thinking about doing that - sewing some cotton material over the leather that i used (all this talk of beathable materials .. lol) ... has anyone out there ever used that changeable head band stuff that cowboys use inside their hats for a crown? i know my dad gets his changed out from his cowboy hats regularly, and wonder if it would be useful in a crown ....

Blackbear · 05-16-2006, 10:43 PM

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... has anyone out there ever used that changeable head band stuff that cowboys use inside their hats for a crown? i know my dad gets his changed out from his cowboy hats regularly, and wonder if it would be useful in a crown ....

I have no idea what you are talking about but it intriques me.. I think I'll go ask my hubby if he knows what it is... or do you mind telling us more about it?

**chazziff** · 05-17-2006, 12:03 PM

i remember readin in somewhere that, you know that band (sweatband) inside of the cowboy hat is replaceable ... i googled it and these miracool things came up and they arent what i was thinking about.

but some western shops do offer hat reshaping and replacement of the band inside ... i wonder if they'd put one inside a crown? lol

**Eagle Plumes** · 05-17-2006, 12:15 PM

go to like a hardware store or a place that deals with constuction like a HomeDepot or Lowes ive seen em there the ones ive seen look like thin sponges with a long rubberband attached to it

**Eagle Plumes** · 05-17-2006, 12:16 PM

forgot to say alot of guys wear them in their hard hats

**Eagle Plumes** · 05-17-2006, 12:19 PM

Ive seen ties to bring the crown together in the back but what else could i do? elastic? velcro? would love any ideas imgonna drive ya'll nuts before im done

05-11-2006, 02:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
Eagle Plumes Just Bead it! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MId-West Posts: 11,497	Help! how do you make a crown??? I have just been asked to make a crown for a comm and not real sure how to do it, I mean I know how to bead but are there any tips? before I say for sure I will do it? I know they have a name and cymbol that will be on there the thing that has me buggin is how to bring it together in the back? I not a real fan of the ones that are tied in the back so im not really wanting to do that I like the nice neat look in the back, so any help would be awesome!!!! thanks

05-12-2006, 07:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
chazziff YO!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in a big sleigh bed Posts: 6,517	placemats have a tendency to deteriate (sp?) over time - i've seen some from about five/six years ago time has not been good to them ... i've made a couple of crowns - i have used everything from felt and placemats and canvas. i now use this stiff felt from micheals' hobby shops in the longer length. measure and make the crown that length ... personally i dont like those crowns with the space in the back with elastic or string keeping it together .. i then use a glue stick to glue the felt to poster board thickness paper (to help the crown keep its shape and to help with warping) i bead the crown and then hand sew the ends of the crown together. after putting some leather on the back of crown to cover the threads. i have beaded the small space left between the ends - just for appearances .. that way you dont have to have a back barrette if you choose not to... i have some pix of a crown i made for my little girl - i'll post them later __________________ See I wanna move, but can't escape from you So I keep it low, keep a secret code So everybody else don't have to know So keep ya love locked down

05-13-2006, 07:32 AM	#5 (permalink)
Eagle Plumes Just Bead it! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MId-West Posts: 11,497	looks great! How is the rosette attached? I think I may want to put one on the back of this one thank-you for the photo's. I put heavy plastic canvas in the middle of most of my bead work so thats what ill put in the middle of this, ive had the same bead work going on five yrs and still has the same shape as when I first made it, I like the back of the crown has anice neat look to it.

05-16-2006, 06:07 PM	#6 (permalink)
Eagle Plumes Just Bead it! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MId-West Posts: 11,497	still need help everyone has been very helpfull but I need a bit more detail on how toget the back to look just rite, chazzif do you have any more tips I can read? and the pictures of the back of the crown is what im wanting the back of this crown to look like.thankyou.

05-16-2006, 07:01 PM	#8 (permalink)
chazziff YO!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in a big sleigh bed Posts: 6,517	i usually just tack hand sew it through all layers of the bead work ... i havnt had to time to sew it on lately but i gotta get crackin cuz were going to yorkton this weekend .. lol using a that "stop fray" stuff on the edges (personally never used it) or going old school and ironing a folded edge of the material you are using (if you are using cotton material) then hand sewing it to edge ... might be a better option. that way if you want to change the material after a summer (or whatever) time of use - it'll be easier than using that head and bond stuff (which kinda takes away from the beathability factor and cuz you'll still have to fold over the edge cuz even that heat and bond stuff frays big time if you dont put an edging on it) ... thinking about doing that - sewing some cotton material over the leather that i used (all this talk of beathable materials .. lol) ... has anyone out there ever used that changeable head band stuff that cowboys use inside their hats for a crown? i know my dad gets his changed out from his cowboy hats regularly, and wonder if it would be useful in a crown .... __________________ See I wanna move, but can't escape from you So I keep it low, keep a secret code So everybody else don't have to know So keep ya love locked down

05-12-2006, 03:33 PM	#2 (permalink)
Chelseyrosebutterfly Junior Dancer Join Date: May 2006 Location: CANADA Posts: 239	When my mom made my crown she used the place mat. Because it was stiff and it didn't do all floppy on me when I danced. At the back where it close she put tension bandage so it could stretch. And my barret and feather would cover it up.

05-17-2006, 12:03 PM	#10 (permalink)
chazziff YO!! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in a big sleigh bed Posts: 6,517	i remember readin in somewhere that, you know that band (sweatband) inside of the cowboy hat is replaceable ... i googled it and these miracool things came up and they arent what i was thinking about. but some western shops do offer hat reshaping and replacement of the band inside ... i wonder if they'd put one inside a crown? lol __________________ See I wanna move, but can't escape from you So I keep it low, keep a secret code So everybody else don't have to know So keep ya love locked down

05-17-2006, 12:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
Eagle Plumes Just Bead it! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MId-West Posts: 11,497	go to like a hardware store or a place that deals with constuction like a HomeDepot or Lowes ive seen em there the ones ive seen look like thin sponges with a long rubberband attached to it

05-17-2006, 12:16 PM	#12 (permalink)
Eagle Plumes Just Bead it! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MId-West Posts: 11,497	forgot to say alot of guys wear them in their hard hats

05-17-2006, 12:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
Eagle Plumes Just Bead it! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: MId-West Posts: 11,497	It's me again Ive seen ties to bring the crown together in the back but what else could i do? elastic? velcro? would love any ideas imgonna drive ya'll nuts before im done