Beaded "crowns" for roaches???

**tradish_wiyan** · 06-03-2004, 11:31 AM

I don't know what u call them, but how do you bead those "crowns" for lack of a better word for Mens roaches? I see these on Northern Traditional dancers, and I wanna make one, but how??? :Thinking

Does anyone have a picture of one to post on here? If I can see it I can figure it out. Thanks :Idea

Blackbear · 06-03-2004, 02:28 PM

Is this something new or are you talking about beaded roach spreaders.. the things that sit inside the roach and hold the feather?

**tradish_wiyan** · 06-03-2004, 02:50 PM

no...what I am talking about is like a beaded "crown" in front of the roach to keep the porquipine hair up? I know I saw them and my bro wants one, but I can't seem to figure it out :dontknow:

**spottedeagle** · 06-03-2004, 05:26 PM

We had a discussion about these in the tradish forum about a year ago. If I remember correctly they are made very similar to the front part of a woman's crown only smaller. I have seen them not only beaded but also painted. I'll see if I can find a pic to post here for you Blackbear

**spottedeagle** · 06-03-2004, 05:48 PM

The most accessable I had was a pic of Adrian LaChance from the Marra calander. Anyway his crown is painted.

**tradish_wiyan** · 06-03-2004, 06:29 PM

yeah thats what I mean LOL

**spottedeagle** · 06-03-2004, 06:56 PM

Here's a link to the thread I was talking about

That roach thing

Blackbear · 06-03-2004, 09:09 PM

OH cool!! hmm.. gonna have to learn how that's done myself!

**tradish_wiyan** · 06-04-2004, 11:34 AM

Hey thanks...so they are sewn to the roach itself huh? Well i'm gonna try it out, i'll let you all know how it turns out.

powwowbum49 · 06-07-2004, 02:52 PM

TW

I personally would not sew them directly to the roach but would instead put them on with hook-n-eyes. I would sew the eye to the roach and then the hook to the back of the beadwork. I also would use 3 hook-n-eyes, one in the middle then one on each end.

The things are made in many different style of beadwork. I have seen them mostly in applique but also in lazy/lane stitch and even flat peyote. Once the beadwork is done you just back like a barrette with something fairly stiff so it stands up well on it's own and attach the hooks.

Another things I have seen done to roaches (beadwork wise) is doing bead wrapping around the bottom edge of the roach where the hair is folded over to be tied. It is done like on the edge of a beaded belt buckle.

semperfi · 07-08-2004, 07:17 AM

Just a matter of personal taste and opinion but I don't like them. I think a roach is to beautiful to cover it up with a piece of painted rawhide or piece of beadwork. Let that puppy sway, show it off. We all know the time and effort that goes into making one of those things. Again, just a matter of taste. If you like them, best of luck.

charliemom · 06-22-2005, 06:00 PM

For the "crown" for my son, I used the Little Sleeve insert as a pattern. You know the one that Makes the sleeve puffy. This gives it just the right curve for both the top and the bottom so that the crown stands at an angle and not just 45 degrees. I seamed it to a base made out of buckskin/coffee can lid/material. From the bottom of the base I made the holes for the ties to go through. I found that two holes make the crown base stable.

06-03-2004, 11:31 AM	#1 (permalink)
tradish_wiyan plains n8tv Join Date: May 2003 Location: northern plains Posts: 1,093	Beaded "crowns" for roaches??? I don't know what u call them, but how do you bead those "crowns" for lack of a better word for Mens roaches? I see these on Northern Traditional dancers, and I wanna make one, but how??? :Thinking Does anyone have a picture of one to post on here? If I can see it I can figure it out. Thanks :Idea __________________ yeah, yeah, yeah... ...never underestimate the power of stupid people in groups... If quizzes are "quizical"...What are tests?

06-03-2004, 02:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,522	Is this something new or are you talking about beaded roach spreaders.. the things that sit inside the roach and hold the feather? __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Video002-1.flv

06-03-2004, 02:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
tradish_wiyan plains n8tv Join Date: May 2003 Location: northern plains Posts: 1,093	no...what I am talking about is like a beaded "crown" in front of the roach to keep the porquipine hair up? I know I saw them and my bro wants one, but I can't seem to figure it out :dontknow: __________________ yeah, yeah, yeah... ...never underestimate the power of stupid people in groups... If quizzes are "quizical"...What are tests?

06-03-2004, 05:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
spottedeagle The NDN Hugh Heffner Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Soaring over you Posts: 4,288	We had a discussion about these in the tradish forum about a year ago. If I remember correctly they are made very similar to the front part of a woman's crown only smaller. I have seen them not only beaded but also painted. I'll see if I can find a pic to post here for you Blackbear __________________ The things you are doing today are the traditions of twenty-five years from now. -Daryl Baldwin: Miami

06-03-2004, 05:48 PM	#5 (permalink)
spottedeagle The NDN Hugh Heffner Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Soaring over you Posts: 4,288	The most accessable I had was a pic of Adrian LaChance from the Marra calander. Anyway his crown is painted. __________________ The things you are doing today are the traditions of twenty-five years from now. -Daryl Baldwin: Miami Last edited by spottedeagle; 02-10-2007 at 09:21 PM.

06-03-2004, 06:29 PM	#6 (permalink)
tradish_wiyan plains n8tv Join Date: May 2003 Location: northern plains Posts: 1,093	yeah thats what I mean LOL __________________ yeah, yeah, yeah... ...never underestimate the power of stupid people in groups... If quizzes are "quizical"...What are tests?

06-03-2004, 06:56 PM	#7 (permalink)
spottedeagle The NDN Hugh Heffner Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Soaring over you Posts: 4,288	Found it!!! Here's a link to the thread I was talking about That roach thing __________________ The things you are doing today are the traditions of twenty-five years from now. -Daryl Baldwin: Miami

06-03-2004, 09:09 PM	#8 (permalink)
Blackbear Gone Fishing Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Alaska Posts: 9,522	OH cool!! hmm.. gonna have to learn how that's done myself! __________________ Don't worry that it's not good enough for anyone else to hear... just sing, sing a song. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...Video002-1.flv

06-04-2004, 11:34 AM	#9 (permalink)
tradish_wiyan plains n8tv Join Date: May 2003 Location: northern plains Posts: 1,093	Hey thanks...so they are sewn to the roach itself huh? Well i'm gonna try it out, i'll let you all know how it turns out. __________________ yeah, yeah, yeah... ...never underestimate the power of stupid people in groups... If quizzes are "quizical"...What are tests?

06-07-2004, 02:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
powwowbum49 Arena Director Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: midwest, USA Posts: 792	TW I personally would not sew them directly to the roach but would instead put them on with hook-n-eyes. I would sew the eye to the roach and then the hook to the back of the beadwork. I also would use 3 hook-n-eyes, one in the middle then one on each end. The things are made in many different style of beadwork. I have seen them mostly in applique but also in lazy/lane stitch and even flat peyote. Once the beadwork is done you just back like a barrette with something fairly stiff so it stands up well on it's own and attach the hooks. Another things I have seen done to roaches (beadwork wise) is doing bead wrapping around the bottom edge of the roach where the hair is folded over to be tied. It is done like on the edge of a beaded belt buckle. __________________ PB49 "Every child is an artist. The problem is how to remain an artist once we grow up." Pablo Picasso My comments are based on what I have been taught and my experiences over the years I have been around the circle. They should in no way be taken as gospel truths and are merely my opinions or attempts at passing on what I have learned while still learning more.

07-08-2004, 07:17 AM	#11 (permalink)
semperfi semperfi Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 10	Just my opinion Just a matter of personal taste and opinion but I don't like them. I think a roach is to beautiful to cover it up with a piece of painted rawhide or piece of beadwork. Let that puppy sway, show it off. We all know the time and effort that goes into making one of those things. Again, just a matter of taste. If you like them, best of luck.

06-22-2005, 06:00 PM	#12 (permalink)
charliemom Tiny Tot Dancer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: montana Posts: 72	Beaded Crowns For the "crown" for my son, I used the Little Sleeve insert as a pattern. You know the one that Makes the sleeve puffy. This gives it just the right curve for both the top and the bottom so that the crown stands at an angle and not just 45 degrees. I seamed it to a base made out of buckskin/coffee can lid/material. From the bottom of the base I made the holes for the ties to go through. I found that two holes make the crown base stable.

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