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aihsc · 11-04-2007, 03:16 PM

[QUOTE=And I had to eat Crow---it tastes just like chicken---but I like chicken better.LOL ....So, now is this saying that the URB Shawnee is NOT (not yelling--just emphasizing) a state recognized Tribe in the State of Ohio? I'm not Shawnee so I really don't have any dealings with them. But I am interested in this because of the dispute that took place a year ago.[/QUOTE]

While eating crow can be a culinary delight, eating crow in the literal sense because of something one said is not a very pleasant fate. However, you “ate crow” for no reason at all, except that you were bamboozled into thinking you were wrong when you weren’t. The people you contacted might have been very involved in politics, but sure didn’t know what they were talking about.

The “law” you were shown wasn’t a law at all, but Ohio House Joint Resolution 8 of the 113th General Assembly. It was just like any other proclamation that can be requested from a state governor or legislative body, including honoring nose pickers. Such a resolution ordinarily is an act of a special or temporary character, not prescribing a permanent rule of government, is of congratulatory nature, and does not have the force of law.

The fact that the URB was not a state recognized tribe has been out in the public for quite a few years. This includes a letter dated 22 July, 2002 from Carrie E. Glaeden, Deputy Chief Legal Counsel, State of Ohio, to the Ohio American Indian Movement Support Group which stated: "the State of Ohio does not recognize Indian Tribes in Ohio and the United Remnant Band Shawnee Nation is not a legitimate, legally recognized tribe in the State of Ohio". Meridith Stanton of the Indian Arts and Crafts Board also previously received information from Ohio that: “The State of Ohio does not have a policy, regulation, state law, or any other formalized process to recognize that certain American Indian groups exist as tribes." These are just two of numerous examples.

The URB is not the only group that pulls this false “state recognition” gambit based on mere proclamations. Other groups include a break away faction of the URB, the “East of the River Shawnee Nation“; the Piqua Shawnee of Kentucky; the Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory (claims state recognition in both Missouri and Arkansas); the Muscogee Nation of Florida; and others. It would take a lot to convince me that they don’t know exactly what they are doing.

Anyway, the word is really out now. Just have a little more confidence in yourself in the future and let the other folks eat crow instead.

11-04-2007, 03:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
aihsc AIHSC Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 18 Credits: 627.81	Eating Crow [QUOTE=And I had to eat Crow---it tastes just like chicken---but I like chicken better.LOL ....So, now is this saying that the URB Shawnee is NOT (not yelling--just emphasizing) a state recognized Tribe in the State of Ohio? I'm not Shawnee so I really don't have any dealings with them. But I am interested in this because of the dispute that took place a year ago.[/QUOTE] While eating crow can be a culinary delight, eating crow in the literal sense because of something one said is not a very pleasant fate. However, you “ate crow” for no reason at all, except that you were bamboozled into thinking you were wrong when you weren’t. The people you contacted might have been very involved in politics, but sure didn’t know what they were talking about. The “law” you were shown wasn’t a law at all, but Ohio House Joint Resolution 8 of the 113th General Assembly. It was just like any other proclamation that can be requested from a state governor or legislative body, including honoring nose pickers. Such a resolution ordinarily is an act of a special or temporary character, not prescribing a permanent rule of government, is of congratulatory nature, and does not have the force of law. The fact that the URB was not a state recognized tribe has been out in the public for quite a few years. This includes a letter dated 22 July, 2002 from Carrie E. Glaeden, Deputy Chief Legal Counsel, State of Ohio, to the Ohio American Indian Movement Support Group which stated: "the State of Ohio does not recognize Indian Tribes in Ohio and the United Remnant Band Shawnee Nation is not a legitimate, legally recognized tribe in the State of Ohio". Meridith Stanton of the Indian Arts and Crafts Board also previously received information from Ohio that: “The State of Ohio does not have a policy, regulation, state law, or any other formalized process to recognize that certain American Indian groups exist as tribes." These are just two of numerous examples. The URB is not the only group that pulls this false “state recognition” gambit based on mere proclamations. Other groups include a break away faction of the URB, the “East of the River Shawnee Nation“; the Piqua Shawnee of Kentucky; the Northern Cherokee Nation of the Old Louisiana Territory (claims state recognition in both Missouri and Arkansas); the Muscogee Nation of Florida; and others. It would take a lot to convince me that they don’t know exactly what they are doing. Anyway, the word is really out now. Just have a little more confidence in yourself in the future and let the other folks eat crow instead.